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Interview with Kenny and Spenny

Posted: 11/22/2005

I had the opportunity to speak with Kenny and Spenny about the release of their first season on DVD (Kenny vs. Spenny). The interview was done in July, but I held off posting it until the release drew closer (it was delayed a few times along the way). Read on...


Gord
Hey guys!

Spenny
Hey Gord, it's Spenny and idiot.

Kenny (visit Kenny's website)
The funny, good-looking one.

Kenny
You're asking us about our 8-tracks coming out soon?

Gord
Yes, I heard you guys are putting something out.

Kenny
Yes, it's Spenny's kiddie-porn tape. We finally got releases from the parents.

Spenny
Kenny will be doing most of the talking because he likes to feel important.

Kenny
Why don't you tell him the truth?

Spenny
That is the truth.

Kenny
Spenny doesn't like interviews, he doesn't like talking... welcome to his world.

Gord
Awww Spenny, I'm hurt.

Kenny
He would prefer if I did all the interviews myself, and so would I.

Gord
Yeah, but then you may say things that aren't true about Spenny.

Spenny
He does it anyway.

Kenny
I'd never say anything... well, you know what...

Spenny
You'd never say anything that's

Kenny
That isn't true

Spenny
That's so not true.

Kenny
Spenny is a great guy and he does all the work in the show. Yeah, I'm always lying.

Gord
So where did you guys get the idea for this show? It's definitely a unique show.

Kenny
Well, we did the movie "Pitched" where we both try and sell a script in Hollywood and then we moved to LA where it's so dog-eat-dog that we really just changed the concept from two best friends trying to sell a script to the first one to sell the script first wins. We were trying to develop TV and everyone was like, "We need conflict, we want war," so we said, "Alright, watch two best friends destroy their relationship."

Spenny
And we have a competitive relationship anyway, so it was a very natural transition.

Gord
Would you call it a healthy competitive relationship?

Kenny
Yeah... no... I don't know. I think it's a microcosm of most male relationships.

Spenny
But the show sort of puts a magnifying glass on it and creates tension in our friendship, and that's why I wouldn't say it's healthy.

Kenny
Well, it's not healthy but it's a gig and we aim to please.

Gord
So you guys took the concept of the show, but how did it get developed into what we see now? I saw something on iFilm that appeared to be a pilot where you guys try to gain weight.

Kenny
Yeah, that was the original pilot we did for USA Network. Originally Will Smith's company saw our film and loved it and then we went out to LA to pitch television. We wanted to keep making movies in Canada, but nobody would let us. It was very hard to raise money here, even after the success of "Pitched," we were fucked. So we split and went to the US where people are a little more receptive to Canadians and making money... much like we are.

Gord
Yeah, Canadians don't understand the concept of making money, do they?

Kenny
Well we're very antiestablishment, our stuff isn't scripted, it's pretty aggressive and abrasive, we're antimoral.

Spenny
That's for sure.

Gord
So it was supposed to be on the USA Network?

Kenny
Yeah, originally what happened USA Network pulled the plug on our pilot while we were filming it, but we managed to finish the pilot with the money they gave us and then CBC picked it up which was unbelievable because they took 26 fuckin' shows, and they never take 26 shows. I heard they hadn't picked up that many shows since the 70s... since the "Friendly Giant" or something. I don't know how the fuck they managed to take 26 shows from of us. I think we're won of the few comedy teams eating catsup sandwiches in LA. Our pilot had palm trees in it... so that's that.

Gord
Yeah, I saw the pilot and I was surprised it was filmed in LA because I knew the show took place in Toronto.

Kenny
It's the original "Super-Size Me!" It's me sitting there eating fuckin' McDonald's! Spurlock ripped us off, I'm sure. That's basically "Super-Size Me" with two friends.

Gord
Yeah, but you gained weight and Spenny lost it right?

Kenny
Yeah, but that was unintentional on his part.

Gord
Is he still bitter?

Kenny
No, but he's still skinny.

Spenny
I'm bitter. I'm always bitter. I believe that when you compete in a competition you compete in the competition. Kenny has a whole offensive strategy which sometimes I think takes away from the competition, but I see the entertainment value in it, but I don't think it's necessarily right. I don't think you necessarily get to the bottom of who is the better man in the competition when I'm spending half the time on the toilet because he put laxative in my Muslix.

Kenny
Are we still doing episodes Spenny?

Spenny
Yes, we are.

Gord
So as a competitor you don't like how he competes, but as someone involved...

Spenny
Sometimes he beats me fair and square, and sometimes I think he crosses the line, that's all.

Kenny
But you know this is the reality, this is life and I think we're street-proofing our audience or the youths that watch the show. This is war and I always say I follow the Sun Tzu "Art of War"; I just eat my enemy. This is about winning.

Spenny
It would be nice if he actually read the book, but...

Kenny
I read the Coles Notes.

Gord
That sorta counts.

Spenny
The reality is that since we were kids we were very different in our approaches to doing anything in the world and it really comes out in these competitions, and it's probably a good thing for our business, but it's still pretty frustrating.

Kenny
But Spenny still has to eat my toe nails. That's why he's upset.

Spenny
Well, I've won quite a few of these episodes and people think I never win, and that's kinda frustrating.

Gord
So what's the score card.

Kenny
I win most of them.

Spenny
No, he wins about 60%.

Kenny
I wouldn't say that, I think it's episode is different, but I definitely win more of the competitions.

Spenny
I think there's a philosophical truth about people who cut corners and cheat and are willing to lie, and do whatever to get ahead; it actually works, sadly, and I think the show sorta shows that, and if I have to be the guy that gets screwed over to tell that truth, so be it.

Gord
But you feel you take the moral high road in the competitions?

Spenny
There are a few exceptions, but most of the time I'm not going to become Kenny to win the competition. It's not who I am, it's not who I want to be, and I think it's a better show if I stay true to myself, and vise-versa.

Kenny
I think outside the box; we have very different ways of thinking about...

Spenny
Everything

Kenny
Everything

Spenny
Not just the competitions. Like I said, it shows up in the competitions which is nice, but there's not one thing we would do exactly the same way, whether it was grocery shopping, going to movies, dating girls, we're just completely different people.

Kenny
Yeah, I date girls, Spenny doesn't.

Gord
One of my favorite episodes was the one where you guys competed to make the most money. Kenny, I like that you were trying to sell advertising on the show.

Kenny
The reality of that show, which I realized later, was that in the opening of the show Spenny says we can't do anything illegal, but every single thing he did in the show was illegal.

Spenny
No, not everything...

Kenny
Squeegying, busking, um, selling flowers on the street... these are the things I noticed later and went, "Oh fuck!" But we both would have lost.

Spenny
Yeah, the way it works is whoever does the humiliation is the loser no matter what. There are a few humiliations I did that I regret doing in retrospect.

Kenny
And even in that show, where any money I make I have to split with him, any money he makes he has to split with me, so we both lost and we both should have done the humiliation.

Spenny
He still doesn't understand... the concept was that... you may be right about the things I did being illegal, but you used the show, which we have to split

Kenny
Well any money we earn...

Spenny
You used the show!

Kenny
Any money we earn...

Spenny
No!

Kenny
Any money we earn in the show we split.

Spenny
No, you used the show. You advertised with the show.

Kenny
But any money we make in the show...

Spenny
I don't want to argue about this!

Kenny
Because we have a contract we have to split.

Spenny
Whatever

Kenny
Anyway...

Spenny
Next question!

Kenny
I gave him that one, he needs to win more. I have to throw him a couple of wins now and then or he'll have a nervous breakdown.

Gord
I liked that you thought outside the box and using the show to try and make money.

Spenny
That was his downfall.

Gord
It was, but I started thinking while watching "The Apprentice"... why don't these people try and use the show to make money, to sell advertising?

Spenny
Maybe the producers won't let them or something.

Kenny
If I were on "The Apprentice" all of them would have herpes and be homeless by the time I finished with them.

Gord
**laughing**

Kenny
I'd have them all fired on the first day because I would just crush them mentally...

Spenny
...and his smell would have a debilitating effect on the other cast members.

Kenny
Well listen, I wouldn't smell as bad if Spencer's mother showered more.

Spenny
And this goes back to, especially this latest season, the jokes about my alleged pedophilia and homosexuality. I can't stop him from doing it, my psychiatrist has said to just ignore it, which is difficult to do. He's burning bridges within my family just for the cheap laughs, but this is what my life is.

Kenny
It's all worth it.

Gord
How large is the audience for the show? I know it aired in Canada on CBC, and it airs on The Game Show network in the States...

Kenny
Yeah, it's in fifty...sixty countries and we've formatted the show to 20 countries. Eight are in production. The show is all over the world. In Germany it's "Elton vs. Simon"; in South America it's "Juan vs. Roman"; in Turkey it's "Cenk vs. Erdem." They're just starting in the Netherlands with two of the hottest fucking porn stars, "Katcha vs. Bridget" or something. If you Google "Kenny Spenny formats" you'll see all the shows we've sold. And our show is on SkyOne Satellite in the UK.I hear we're big in Argentina, Mexico City... we're on the comedy channel in Australia and I think we're the largest-selling format show in Canadian history.

Gord
So that's gotta make you feel pretty damn good.

Kenny
Well, it makes Spenny feel bad because there are all these Spennys all over the world who are having to eat their best friend's toenails. Yeah, we love it; it's fuckin' surreal.

Gord
What's your shooting schedule for the show like? Do you shoot everything in Toronto now?

Kenny
Yup, we always have, except the pilot. We shoot everything in Toronto, but we're Toronto boys. We know this city, and it's the best place to do it. Plus Spenny gets deals from all the hookers so he wouldn't leave.

Gord
That's pretty important though.

Spenny
Don't believe half the shit that comes out of his mouth.

Gord
How often do you do a new episode?

Spenny
We usually do two or three and then take a week off.

Kenny
But cameras on or off, we're always fuckin' competing. Even now I'm trying to get more lines in this interview than he is. Yeah, that's us, that's what we do. Our lives are "Kenny vs. Spenny"; this isn't "Blue Murder"... our show is us. This is a voyeuristic look at this dysfunctional relationship and we'll be competing until Spenny dies of AIDS... in about three weeks.

Gord
The second season of the show isn't on CBC anymore, is it?

Kenny
No, it's on Showcase...

Spenny
Which is great

Kenny
Yeah, and we got the best fuckin' time slot. We're Sunday 9:30 (Eastern) after "Trailer Park Boys" this fall.

Gord
Oh wow, you can't ask for anything better than that!

Kenny
Yeah, it's going to be huge.

Kenny
Again, we're total opposites. I love the fame and attention; Spenny hates it.

Gord
Do you guys have any stalkers now that you're famous?

Kenny
We've both had our share of stalkers.

Gord
And who appreciates them more?

Kenny
I love them!

Spenny
It's a pain in the ass, it really is. Once and awhile I like it if it can get me into a restaurant faster, but generally speaking it's... whatever... I wish I was invisible.

Gord
Are you going to become Scientologists now that you're famous? It's the thing to do...

Kenny
I wish! Where the fuck do I sign up?

Spenny
Kenny knows a lot about Scientology.

Kenny
I wish I believed in God, like I give a shit about anything. Any place where I gotta go to take classes.... forget about it. But I'd like to join anywhere that could give me a free room on the Tahitian island and have girls massage my Thorax.

Spenny
I will be as pathetic as I always am as a celebrity.

Kenny
I'd like to join anything... Scientology, Jews for Judas, umm... Kabulah. As long as they have free party sandwiches.

Gord
Spenny, you seem to enjoy just being in the background and being the "quiet guy" on the show, do you like that'll ever change?

Kenny
The words "Spenny" and "enjoy"...

Spenny
He won't even let me talk.

Kenny
Okay, then go ahead.

Spenny
Do I think that'll ever change? Well, we did one episode in the first season where I tried cheating, but it didn't work very well.

Kenny
Being in the background...

Spenny
I don't have the need to get credit.... I'm passive about it. I don't care... I'm not a narcissist like some people.

Kenny
Well Spenny... I'm happy, he's unhappy; those are our characters. He's kinda negative, and I'm very positive.

Spenny
I don't think that's true.

Kenny
Partially true. It's a little true.

Spenny
We're just different, we're just different people. He loves attention. We live together and he's got people over all the time and it drives me crazy; I like to be alone, read my books and see movies.I go out alone all the time. We're just different. If that's being in the background then yes, I'll continue to be in the background.

Gord
Kenny, what's your #1 favorite episode of the show?

Kenny
They're all my little children. This season (the second season), blows away the first fuckin' season. This season is so fuckin' good that we're embarrassed to show the first season to anybody. It's getting better... like any first season... anything from "Life Goes On" to "The Simpsons" to "Archie Bunker" to "Seinfeld," not that I'm comparing myself... we've made our mistakes, we're getting better, we have better cameras, a better set, I've become even more of a fucked up devious genius and Spenny has become even more pathetic; it's perfect.

Gord
Spenny, what's your favorite episode?

Kenny
Oh wait, my favorite episode... well... shit... there's so many they just merge into one big fuckin' episode. I always liked "Who stays awake the longest."

Spenny
My favorite is "Who can have a better band"

Kenny
Concert

Spenny
Yeah, "Who can put on a better concert." I like it because, not so much because of what happened in it, which wasn't good for me, but because I thought it was a really well put together show, and I thought what we did, and tried to do was the right thing in both cases; it really gelled together in the edit.

Gord
So what are you guys doing for the DVDs? I know you recorded commentary...

Kenny
Yeah, we recorded commentary. We have our original feature on there, "Pitched." We're trying to do as much stuff as we can, but the reality is we...

Spenny
We appeared on the "Conan O'Brien Show" that's going to cost us like $80,000 to put it on the DVD so we can't show it, which is unfortunate.

Kenny
But there are definitely lots of extras and just the commentary itself... so many fans want to hear the back story; what happens when Spenny finds out I cheated; what really happened behind the camera. We're doing everything we can to put as much as possible on the DVDs.

Gord
How many commentary tracks are you guys doing?

Kenny
We did two episodes. We'd like to do more, but our show is low production... we're working with what we have. Matt and Trey gave us a quote... Matt and Trey are very good friends of ours and they're huge fans of the show, the guys from "South Park." They're big fans, thank God.

Spenny
They're giving us a quote for the cover, which is nice.

Gord
Well guys, thanks for doing the interview.

Kenny
Thanks! Keep in touch.

Spenny
Thank you.


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